Feng Xiaochen had already heard his inner wandering from Zhang Lubin's tone, so he calmly said: "Zhang General, do you think there is still hope for P15?"

“If civil aviation...” Zhang Lubin said a few words, he couldn’t say it.

Feng Xiaochen did not walk around the bend, but said bluntly: "In fact, you are very clear in your heart."Even if civil aviation is willing to accept the P15, the P15 will not have a future.Civil aviation orders are two or three a year, even considering the improvement of the national economic level, the future demand for aircraft increased, in the next ten years, civil aviation can purchase more than 50 aircraft.How far can you do with an order of 50 aircraft?”

"If there were 50, we could have survived."Zhang Lubin said.He is not as optimistic as Feng Xiaochen, in his calculations, the civil aviation department can purchase 20 aircraft in the next 10 years, is already very good, there are 20 aircraft orders, enough to maintain the existing production.

Feng Xiaochen asked relentlessly geologically: "Zhang General Work, the purpose of our P15 is to survive?"The United States has Boeing, McAlu, Europe has Airbus, these companies every year's output is a few hundred, we to one or two a year scale to manufacture, can accumulate how much technology, and what kind of competitive advantage can be formed, so that ten years, twenty years, once away from the protection of the country, you can compete with Boeing, Airbus in the international market?"

"This..." Zhang Lubin snagged, Feng Xiaochen's questions, really he can't answer.

"Little Feng, words can't say this..." Xue Yue looked at Zhang Lubin a little embarrassed and quickly spoke to the round field.

"Xiao Xue, I think it makes sense for Xiao Feng to say."Meng Fanze said slowly next to him, "To say it, I am not the first time I have heard Xiao Feng mention this concept, the first time I discussed the MT25 mining excavator with him, he said a similar thing."Those of us who like to count political accounts and think that being able to make a product is victory.Xiao Feng is different from us, he counts the economic account, is the account of international competition, in his view, if not competitive in the international, this product is a failure."

"Yes, that's my opinion."Feng Xiaochen said, "If we spend a lot of effort to make the product, we must rely on the protection of the state to survive, as long as the protection is lost, will be hit by foreign products, then what is the value of such products for us?" 」

Xue Yueao retorted: "Xiao Feng, you can't say this, we are already developing countries, and it is inevitable that technology is lagging behind some abroad."If the level is not as high as abroad, it should not be developed, then we still need to do our own major equipment for what?”

Feng Xiaochen said: "We engage in major equipment, from the beginning is aimed at the international advanced level to engage."In the early stage, we can provide some protection for our products, and even take some means to obtain advanced technology from abroad to improve the technical content of our own products.But all these measures are for the future of our products to be able to go to the international market, rather than to protect one product forever.”

"Then how do you know that Zhang's P15 can't be gradually improved and eventually reach the international advanced level?"Xue Yue raised the bar.Feng Xiaochen said these reasons, Xue Yue both support and opposition, he can not say what is wrong, but some difficult to accept.

In fact, it is not only Xue Yue, and many cadres in those days have similar confusion.For many years, people have been accustomed to self-reliance, always feel that what is only what they can create, is the most practical.After opening the door to the country, it is simply unsightly to find that what he has been proud of for so many years is compared with the advanced products of foreign countries.Following this path, you will only be left behind by others, and there is no hope for catching up with others.

During this period, people who are disappointed with China's future are not a few, of course, more people are holding a breath in their hearts, hoping to eventually achieve a leap by learning from foreign advanced experience, plus ten times and a hundred times the sweat.

Feng Xiaochen understands the mentality of these people, and he is more optimistic than others, because he is a traversal, he really sees the era of the overall revitalization of China's industry.It is for this reason that he has more patience than Menfanze, Xue Yue and others.Thirty years may be too long for a person's life, but it is only a white foal gap relative to the rise of a country.

"I believe that China will one day have its own big aircraft and will be able to compete with Boeing and Airbus."But that’s not what it can do now, nor is it the next decade or twenty years.The reason is simple: our country has no money, and we don't have enough industrial base."Feng Xiaochen looked at Zhang Lubin and said seriously.

Feng Xiaochen said this, not out of thin air.In the real history, the EU has developed Airbus almost all of Europe.Airbus has been in a state of loss for the first decade, relying entirely on EU subsidies to survive, almost dragging down the entire EU.The rich European Union is still so, with the strength of China, how much money can hit such a bottomless pit of large aircraft?

Zhang Lubin sat there without moving, but Feng Xiaochen could clearly feel it, and the force supporting his will suddenly disappeared.His body slumped, and without the back of the chair, he might even slide to the ground.His eyes were also lost, as if he were getting older.

“Chief Feng is right, in fact ... from the very beginning we should have accepted the result.”Zhang Lubin murmured.

“Insist on what outcome?”Xue Yushen asked.

Zhang Lubin looked up, grudgingly smiled, and said, “What Chief Feng just said, I already thought about it 10 years ago.”Big planes are the pinnacle of industrial technology, and it needs a strong industrial base and a lot of money to support it.The United States has Boeing, McDowell, Europe has Airbus, because their industrial level has reached such a level, while their economic level is very high, the civil aviation industry is developed, can provide enough demand, in this case, the development of large passenger aircraft is guaranteed.

Our country has started from a poor and white, from the beginning of large-sized industry to today, it is only 30 years.Such a short period of accumulation, to fight with others to fight large passenger aircraft, is completely self-sufficient behavior.

You do not know, in the process of manufacturing the first two P15s, we even have to go to all places to find a qualified bolt, said is the strength of the country, in fact, is still stretched.The big plane that came out in this way, as Chief Feng said, had no international competitiveness at all.The Civil Aviation Authority refuses to accept our aircraft, but is responsible to the country and the people, and we are really not qualified to complain.”

"Little Zhang, you can't say that."Meng Fanze can't listen to some, he said: "The successful test flight of the P15 large aircraft is still of great significance to our country's aviation industry.I have seen the relevant work briefing, and some of the technologies developed during the development of the P15 are of great value to the development of the aviation industry as a whole, and for military aircraft in particular.”

Zhang Lubin laughed at himself and said, "We spent six or seven billion dollars in the country before and after, if nothing is taken out, it will not become a waste."But ask yourself, it’s not worth it.If this money is spent directly on more promising projects, it can achieve much more than it does now.”

These things in the industrial circle are not seen by outsiders, and the people inside are actually very clear.As an aviation expert, Zhang Lubin does not know what kind of problems exists in P15, and where he does not understand what kind of investment is needed to make a truly competitive large aircraft, and what kind of supporting system.

Without enough financial support, many of the P15’s components were produced by executive order, with the help of other systems.These companies do not have the quality control system required by the aviation industry, but they have put together an accessory according to the requirements of the drawings.In the P15's No. 02 aircraft test flight, I don't know how many quality problems, Zhang Lubin himself almost became a firefighting captain, constantly to deal with these problems.

If the P15 continues to be built, this pattern will not change.A prototype can be manufactured in this way, and the test flight process also allows for a variety of problems, so that when it is necessary to submit the finished product to civil aviation, can it be reconciled?Civil aircraft is to carry hundreds of passengers to fly into the sky, quality problems can not be guaranteed, he Zhang Lubin dare to let such an aircraft out of the factory?

"It's just, thanks to me, Zhang Lubin, who has also been doing aviation for nearly 30 years, and it's actually worse than ... a young man like Feng's director."Thank you for your kind words, I want to understand that the P15 should be dismounted, we should let go."Lubin said in a sad tone.

“That’s a pity, isn’t it?”Xue Yu said.After all, this is also a big project, spent more than ten years before and after, invested hundreds of millions, and finally gave up, it is indeed a pity.

Zhang Lubin said: "The strong man broke his wrist, it is time to let go, we can't waste the country's funds for personal honor and humiliation."

“In the past two years, the country has made economic adjustments, and the projects that have been abandoned are more than just you.”Meng Fanze said quietly, "From a rational point of view, it is better to break the ten fingers, concentrate limited funds on a few projects, and avoid attacking on all sides, this strategy is correct."But emotionally speaking, a project like P15, we poured so much effort, all at once threw it away, it is really unacceptable.